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Presidential Recount in WI — History in the Making

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During the last couple of weeks, as I recuperated from the move (and all the sturm und drang thereby), I’ve been watching the United States and its politics with more than my usual share of bemusement.

Why is that? Well, we had a Presidential election where one person, Hillary Clinton, was fully expected to win. Yet she was not the winner; instead, Donald Trump somehow came out of nowhere and took the election away from her.

(Yes, I’m phrasing that precisely. Give me time, please.)

Because of the many statements Mr. Trump gave over the past eighteen or so months, (he confessed to disliking and mistrusting Muslims, to name just one example), many ordinary Americans were concerned at his election to the Presidency of the United States. Marches ensued, most of them peaceful, to show Mr. Trump and those who stand with him that the United States is not a racist, sexist, misogynistic, or LGBTQ-hating country.

Now, to Mr. Trump’s supporters, these marches seem nonsensical. Why protest something that hasn’t happened yet? We’re supposed to give every new President-elect time to show his or her true colors, and we usually do as a nation.

And yet, this was far from an ordinary election. Mr. Trump said many incendiary things. And people are already concerned about Mr. Trump’s apparent lack of impulse control…plus, when you add in all the statements Mr. Trump made about the election being “rigged,” that gave many a cause for concern.

Including Green Party Presidential candidate Jill Stein, of all people, who was one of two people to file for a Presidential recount in the state of Wisconsin after raising millions of dollars in just a few days to do so. The Green Party has said they don’t expect to find many improprieties, but they do want to know what happened in Wisconsin.

As a Wisconsin voter, so do I.

I don’t know what happened in Wisconsin, but I would’ve bet money — a lot of it, if I had it — that Donald Trump could not win this state. Considering Democrats were highly motivated to vote, and there was and remains a sizable #NeverTrump faction as well, I don’t understand at all how he won here.

A recount should answer that question, once and for all.

And lest you think I’m only asking for this as an avowed Hillary Clinton voter, think again. I am all for recounts. I’ve even taken part in one before as a neutral observer — the recount of the state Supreme Court race between Justice David Prosser and challenger JoAnne Kloppenburg. What that recount found was that there were uncounted votes out there, and it did narrow the gap between Prosser and Kloppenburg slightly — not enough to swing that election, mind you, but enough to show that there were indeed some additional votes that hadn’t been properly tallied the first time around.

This time, though, may turn out to be different.

Already, in three Wisconsin counties, votes have been taken away from Mr. Trump — enough of them that Mr. Trump’s lead over Mrs. Clinton has shrunk by 5,000 votes. (And when you only win by 27,000 votes to begin with — less than 1% difference — that’s a sizable difference right there.) This is before the recount; this is what county clerks have found on their own, without prompting — errors much bigger than any found during the Prosser-Kloppenburg recount.

So, if the county clerks are already finding problems before the recount, just how many other problems are they going to find during it?

Before you ask, I fully believe that the county clerks of the state of Wisconsin are reliable, sober professionals. Regardless of their party affiliation, they want to do a good job. (Kathy Nickolaus, former county clerk of Waukesha County, did not seem to know what she was doing. But thankfully, she’s out of office now.) They certainly don’t want anyone to believe that the vote was tampered with — or if it was, they want to know about it first, and figure out how to stop it from happening ever again.

But something odd happened here. Something that does not sit right with me. I am a long-time political observer who’s called at least 25 elections successfully, and yet this one, somehow, I didn’t? When there was no raw data to suggest silent Trump voters before the fact? (And considering how loud and proud some of those Trump voters have proven to be nationwide, the whole idea of silent Trump voters seems like an oxymoron anyway. Just sayin’.)

So I’m happy we’re going to have a recount of the 2016 Presidential election.

No, I don’t expect it to flip the state of Wisconsin for Hillary Clinton. But if it does, I’d not be entirely surprised, either…because it’s been that sort of year, hasn’t it?

Anyway, expect more posts on this subject, as I am vitally interested in the results. (And I do intend to be a neutral observer, again, if I can. Why not?)

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Written by Barb Caffrey

November 26, 2016 at 9:18 pm

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  1. One thought on the “silent” Trump voters.

    After all the “talk” about only Racists/Sexists/etc people would “think” of voting for the “evil” Trump, there could have been a large number of people who were silent about supporting him because they feared being publicly called “Racists/Sexists/etc.

    Oh, some of these people might not have even responded to pollsters as they feared (correctly or not) that the pollsters wouldn’t keep their names private.

    Sorry Barb, but there are plenty of people who don’t trust Liberal Tolerance and sadly based on some of the Liberals on Facebook, I think they have good reason to distrust Liberals.

    There’s plenty of Hate out there and it isn’t only on the Pro-Trump side.

    But then, according to Hillary Clinton, I’m a deplorable.

    Of course, I didn’t believe all the stuff about Trump and dislike Hillary Clinton.

    But then some Liberals will say that I’m sexist because I didn’t want a Woman President.

    Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

    November 26, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    • Paul, I don’t see you as deplorable. And your arguments for why some Trump voters wouldn’t want to say, in a highly charged climate, that they were voting for him all make sense.

      And yes, there are a lot of people who are angry and frustrated and are striking out at everyone. As love has no boundaries, hate also has none…

      Honestly, Paul, I can’t tell you what will happen with this recount. If those phantom Trump votes hadn’t disappeared already, I’d be likely to say it’s another effort like the Prosser-Kloppenburg recount…yet those votes _did_ disappear, and because they did, that makes me wonder what other irregularities/abnormalities we’re going to find during this recount.

      Thanks for commenting, Paul.

      Barb Caffrey

      November 27, 2016 at 2:00 am

      • IMO the Biggest Voter Fraud would be Pro-Hillary.

        Illinois “went” Hillary thanks mainly to the Chicago area.

        Chicago, where the Dead Vote … Democratic.

        I bet if somebody really went hunting for Voter Fraud in this election, they’d find in the areas that went Hillary not the areas that went Trump.

        Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

        November 27, 2016 at 7:28 am

      • Paul, while there have been problems in Chicago before, I think they’re much more cognizant of such things than ever. That’s probably why we have voter ID laws.

        The only known voter fraud in this election, BTW, is from Trump supporters. One female Trump voter in Iowa voted twice, deliberately, and got arrested. There were three or four other known cases in various states…

        And in a state like Wisconsin, which is currently run at all levels by Republicans, if a Democrat or left-leaning Indy had committed voter fraud, the whole state would’ve known about it.

        As I said before, I think the county clerks do a good job. They are honest, trustworthy, fair-minded, and just want to count the vote accurately.

        We’ll see what happens here. (If it’s the same result, well, it’s the same result. At least there will be peace of mind then. And maybe fewer protests, for all I know.)

        Barb Caffrey

        November 27, 2016 at 12:54 pm

      • Barb, Illinois doesn’t have a “voter id” law.

        Also, the national Democratic Party is openly against “voter id” laws so my opinion of the linkage between Democrats and voter fraud is IMO still valid.

        Note to others who might want to “comment”, with the ease of getting State Ids (including non-driver State Ids) and all the governmental services that require State Ids, I consider the “argument” that Republicans want to disenfranchise “poor people”/”minorities” to be nonsense.

        Oh, I had no problems getting my mother a State Id after I had to “take away” her driver’s license (she agreed about the driver’s license).

        Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

        November 27, 2016 at 1:15 pm

      • Paul, sometimes someone who was a home birth in Wisconsin has trouble getting a state ID after surrendering his/her driver’s license. That’s the main problem people have reported. Also, folks who live up North have had a lot of trouble getting in to their local DMV as the “local” one is anywhere between 45 and 75 miles away…both of those are bipartisan issues, or maybe nonpartisan issues, as you can be of any party and have that happen to you.

        Granted, it’s not what is usually discussed. But those are the problems WI has had thus far. People in Milwaukee who are worried about voter ID may not have gone to vote because they didn’t realize they could cast provisional ballots — but that was a failure to communicate on the part of the state (and also the local media) more so than anything to do with the voter ID law, IMO.

        And I didn’t know Illinois didn’t have one. Iowa’s had one for years, Nebraska had one, Colorado had one, California had one…and now, Wisconsin has one. So most if not all the places I’ve cast a vote for something, I’ve had to show ID and I’ve been perfectly fine with that.

        Barb Caffrey

        November 27, 2016 at 9:26 pm

      • Sorry Barb, I’m talking about the garbage that the National Democratic Party is pushing.

        As far as I’m concerned, they aren’t worried about Racist Republicans denying “Poor Little Minorities” the right to vote.

        They are worried that they can’t commit voter fraud any more.

        Talk to Sarah Hoyt sometime.

        She was a Poll-Watcher in Colorado and was “amazed” by all the people who “forgot” they voted by mail.

        Of course Colorado (thanks to Denver & Boulder) went to Hillary.

        Worried about Voter Fraud?

        Look to your party not the Republican Party.

        Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

        November 27, 2016 at 10:32 pm

      • I always thought that if you were going to vote by mail, the whole state should do it (as Oregon does, now). That way, there’s no possibility of people forgetting they’ve voted or being confused — or whatever it is. (I would be tempted, it being Colorado and all, to say that at least a few of ’em were high, considering marijuana is legal for recreational use there.)

        Again, Paul, I’m not saying that people don’t do stupid stuff. What I’m saying is that the verifiable voter fraud this time around was low, as it usually is, and the only case I can think of was in Iowa — where a female Trump voter voted twice, proudly, admitted to it loudly, and got arrested promptly.

        Does that mean all Trump voters committed voter fraud? Of course not. But that one woman did. And it is known.

        So, to say that many Democrats commit voter fraud, or at least condone it, is ridiculous. I am willing to grant that a few nationwide may do so of both parties — but voter fraud, _per se_, is vanishingly rare for a good reason.

        Barb Caffrey

        November 28, 2016 at 5:57 am

      • Sorry Barb, there have been plenty of News Stories (covered locally not nationally) about Voter Fraud (or attempted Voter Fraud) by Democrats.

        While I don’t have “cites” available, my favorite one was the people who found 80-90 mail-in ballots addressed to the apartment of an 80-year-old woman (Democratic Area).

        Another one was a Virginian Democratic worker who was caught creating “fake voters”.

        We’re told that “voter fraud” doesn’t happen but is just “Racist Talk” but now the Narrative is “Voter Fraud Is Real And Trump Is Guilty”.

        So, no offense intended to you, the Message plenty of us are getting is “Voter Fraud Doesn’t Exist Unless The Republican Wins”.

        Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

        November 28, 2016 at 8:58 am

      • I don’t like voter fraud no matter who does it, Paul.

        The main thing this recount will show is exactly what happened, where it happened, and why. That will give peace of mind, and it’s something Trump and most Trump supporters should welcome as well.

        That’s why Trump’s Tweet storm about the recount was completely unwarranted and, quite frankly, unPresidential. What you say as a future President when you don’t like something is, “I respect the process but the voters have spoken, and I fully believe that the recount will vindicate that.”

        If I know that, why in the Hell doesn’t Donald Trump know that?

        Barb Caffrey

        November 28, 2016 at 2:53 pm

      • We’ll have to agree to disagree.

        Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

        November 28, 2016 at 3:24 pm

      • No problem there, Paul.

        Hope your Tuesday goes well. 😀

        Barb Caffrey

        November 29, 2016 at 3:38 pm


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