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My Thoughts on the Uvalde Shooting

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Folks, I thought about this for a few days before posting. I didn’t want to just pop off, as I felt that was unfair to the subject matter.

That said, here goes.

I’m extremely frustrated, upset, and unhappy over the recent shooting up of an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas. The gunman (who as usual I will not name) was a high-school senior and he was not going to graduate. This made him so upset, he shot two teachers to death, at least 19 children to death (as there are more in the hospital, conditions unknown), and argued with his own grandmother beforehand and shot her, too. (Last I read, she was still in critical condition, but alive.)

This makes it sound like this shooter did this on the spur of the moment, but he didn’t.

We know this because he bought two guns, legally, and bought a great deal of ammunition, again legally. He did this just after he turned eighteen.

His only purpose seems to have been to create terror and heartbreak. He has unfortunately succeeded.

The gunman is dead, which somehow doesn’t seem like nearly enough punishment for what he’s done.

Former Texas Congressman Beto O’Rourke, who’s running for Governor of Texas, showed up at the press conference to demand answers. I don’t know how I feel about this because on one hand, I understand why he’s frustrated and upset — and I certainly share that. (I also will point out that Beto was one of the first people on the scene in 2019 when some depraved butthole shot twenty-three people to death at an El Paso Walmart and injured another twenty-three, all because he didn’t like Hispanic people. Beto raised money for the victims and their families and performed many acts at that time that seemed quite selfless.) I also am sure that if I had represented Texas in the House of Representatives, as Beto did for years, I’d be furious at the lack of improvements in the laws of Texas.

But it’s worse than that.

Recently — within the past few months, I believe — gun laws in Texas have been weakened by the current sitting Governor, Greg Abbott (R). The weakening that angers me most is this: there used to be a mandate saying everyone who buys a gun needs to go through a gun safety course. (I agree with this. It makes sense.) Now, however, no one has to do that.

Perhaps this is why Beto went to the press conference and started yelling at Governor Abbott.

Even so, I feel it was the wrong time and the wrong place for that. The parents are grieving. The teachers — the survivors, who know two of their own are dead — are grieving. The police in that area are grieving (one policeman lost a daughter and another his wife). The people of the area are grieving, too.

While I believe the way Governor Abbott behaved was wrong (he wasn’t polite, from what I’ve seen), and am further sickened by the fact that Abbott went to a fund-raiser later that evening from various TV reports rather than stay and try to comfort the victims and their families, I still wish Beto O’Rourke hadn’t confronted him there.

I understand Beto’s anger. I understand why he’s frustrated. I understand and agree with the fact that those laws should never have been weakened.

But when people are grieving, you need to help them heal. Beto knew that in El Paso in 2019.

That’s why I wish he’d not let his anger get the best of him.

Anyway, I remain sickened by the loss of life, the loss of potential in all those ten-year-old kids, the loss of two gifted teachers, and the loss of innocence in and around Uvalde as so many people they knew and loved have died.

Wisconsin is nowhere near Texas. I can’t drive to Uvalde and offer food, or a shoulder to cry on, or lay a wreath at the elementary school’s entrance.

I feel impotent. My rage at more senseless, unnecessary deaths has no place to go, because I know most of the politicians in office in Washington, DC, will do nothing at all, even after innocent children and their innocent teachers have died.

While I of course will pray for the innocent souls, and I will not forget them, thoughts and prayers are no longer enough.

I have no answers. I only have questions.

I wish I knew what to say to put an end to this horrible, awful, grotesque, disgusting and reprehensible behavior.

But I don’t.

Now, you all have the floor: what do you think should be done about gun violence? (Is there anything we can do? If so, what? And what do you think about Beto O’Rourke’s behavior?)

Responses, as always, must be polite or they will be deleted.

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  1. To be blunt, areas of the US with harsher gun control laws have plenty of gun-violence (like Chicago Illinois) but the gun-violence isn’t screamed about nation-wide.

    Partly IMO because it is violence by criminals against other criminals and partly because the criminals are often Black Criminals.

    As for Beto, I believe that he was solely acting to push his political ambitions not because “He Cared”. He is using this mess for political reasons.

    Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

    May 26, 2022 at 8:27 am

    • I agree with you about Chicago, Paul. I’ve seen lots of issues there over the years.

      Wisconsin now has some permissive gun laws, though, and in the change toward these laws, we’ve seen more and more odd shootings. The seventeen people shot at (fortunately, none died) outside the Milwaukee Bucks playoff game a week or so ago was a case in point.

      What’s worst of all is, these people — the shooters — don’t care if the police are around! There was a huge police presence around Fiserv Forum and in the Deer District (first is where the Bucks play; the second is where Bucks fans without tickets to the game congregate in an outdoor fiesta of sorts).

      I think community policing is a very good idea and the resources need to be there so policemen and women can get to know who’s in the neighborhood, who seems tightly wound, who has had disappointments, and who seems to need psychiatric care yet owns a gun (or has recently purchased a gun). Watchful waiting, IOW.

      It might save lives.

      That, and taxing the Hell out of the ammo for a first-time gun buyer who has no plan he discloses to use it that makes any sense, are the only things I can think of to make it harder for someone else to do what this disturbed eighteen-year-old did in Uvalde. (And while I know even these things may not work to stop all things, it should work to stop some of them and not be harmful to longtime, responsible gun owners.)

      Barb Caffrey

      May 26, 2022 at 4:22 pm

  2. Barb, some things to think about.

    The gun-seller had no reason to not sell this person the rifles.

    The fruit-cake didn’t have a criminal record.

    While he was very likely a nut-case, there wasn’t any official finding of him being a nut-case.

    IE the gun-seller couldn’t look up anything on-line that would warn him that this kid shouldn’t be sold those rifles.

    All the Screams about “More Gun-Control Laws” ignore the fact that there was no way for the seller to know that the kid was dangerous.

    In an earlier case, the Sandy Hook case, the murderer stole the weapons from a relative and that relative attempted to get the authorities to “lock him up”.

    Too many times, the “Gun-Grabbers” ignore other problems where action could have been taken that may have prevented the killing.

    Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

    May 26, 2022 at 3:18 pm

    • Paul, there’s a lot of truth to what you say.

      As I’m pressed for time at the moment, I’ll only say this. I just finished watching a clip of retired Admiral James Stavridis — a former NATO Supreme Allied Commander (I hope I got that title right) — and his comments about civilians being able to buy guns at 18 when they can’t buy beer seems absolutely bass-ackwards. (I think he said it’s “upside-down.”)

      I do think there’s something to be said for that. You can’t drink or smoke (not tobacco, anyway) until 21. You can buy a gun at 18.

      You can serve your country and die at 18, too. You can vote at 18.

      So, I’m not trying to throw a strawman into the ring here. Honestly, I’m not.

      But it does seem odd.

      Also, Adm. Stavridis said that an AR-15-style rifle (which Stephen Colbert rightly points out is similar to the old M-16 the Army used for decades) was never meant to be in the hands of someone not trained to use it. He said, and I hope I get the quote right, that this is a weapon meant for war. It’s a military-grade weapon. It’s not meant for civilians, much less first-time gun buyers (that last I’m adding myself).

      I agree with you, though, in that I don’t think this guy would’ve been flagged. I do think making him go through a gun-safety course might’ve shown an instructor some red flags, which might’ve at least put the guy on some sort of police radar. But even that might not have changed anything he did.

      Taxing a large amount of ammo seems the right way to go, especially if it’s to a first-time gun buyer/owner who doesn’t have a plan as to how it’s going to be used.

      In addition, there’s a huge difference (as you know, being one of Chris Nuttall’s beta readers) between what sort of ammo a flintlock has and the type of ammo a pistol has, much less something like an M-16 or an AR-15.

      As I said when I wrote this, I think just the act of buying all that ammo as such a young man should be a red flag. It’s not like he was going to Burning Man or some sort of festival (not that I know what this type of weapon would do at such a place, but I seem to recall some folks at Burning Man a few years ago with some unusual weaponry getting arrested. It’s possible my memory is playing tricks on me, though.)

      This was a young man, barely adult, still in the grips of adolescent hormones, upset that he was not graduating with his class. I don’t know why he decided to go shoot at a bunch of fourth graders. I don’t know why he shot at these two teachers. I don’t know why he barricaded himself in a room for an hour.

      Paul, it’s possible that this sort of person could’ve been one of those folks running with a knife or finding ways to make bombs or doing other things to raise Hell and shame his upbringing.

      I still want there to be something good that happens out of this, and I want that good thing to be that a huge purchase of this type of ammo from a first-time gun owner — especially one this young — is flagged.

      Barb Caffrey

      May 26, 2022 at 4:18 pm

  3. Sigh.

    The Big Problem with these ideas is that you are focusing on Tools not the person.

    These ideas will cause major problems for innocent gun purchasers/users who vastly out-number the kooks or criminals.

    This person (like many like him) needed help but nobody on “your side” wants to focus on helping them.

    Of course, the government might not be the best source for such help so it means that caring people have to personally do something.

    But then how many percentage-wise are there of potential mass-killers.

    The Screamers don’t want to answer that question so expect everybody to suffer from laws that don’t deal with the Real Problems.

    Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

    May 27, 2022 at 7:49 am

    • Paul, I agree he needed mental help. There’s no doubt about it.

      I also think, as I said before, that his adolescent hormones didn’t help anything. This was a situation that could’ve been prevented in many ways, and it wasn’t.

      What I’m hoping for, Paul, is that somehow we get enough consensus to find ways to help people like this or at least get them off the streets.

      I welcome advice from law enforcement and the military, and for people who’ve served in both. I figure they have a better idea of what’s what than I do.

      All I know right now is, we have twenty-one people dead that shouldn’t be dead. We also have a husband who collapsed as he started to plan his wife’s funeral, dying of what’s called “broken heart syndrome” (he had a heart attack while grieving).

      The whole thing is sickening and deeply disturbing.

      The only way to protect a school from a shooter under the current circumstances is to possibly give a security guard (off-duty police officer or retired police officer/retired military) enough tools so he can stop the shooter before he gets started. This would necessitate body armor, armor-piercing bullets (as apparently the last few shooters, both in Buffalo and in Uvalde, wore some sort of armor), and a gun capable of using them properly. (Not all guns can wield armor-piercing bullets.)

      That said, Paul, the age of the shooter has to be taken into account when we’re looking for solutions. The last shooters we’ve had were under twenty. This guy was eighteen. The other guy who shot up that supermarket in Buffalo was also eighteen. Many of the other school shooters were under twenty, too, including the guy who shot up Sandy Hook years ago. The shooter at Virginia Tech was (IIRC) twenty-one.

      So, you have people who’ve not been diagnosed as mentally ill for the most part (the guy at Sandy Hook had been, but his mother enabled him somehow IIRC), plus they’re young men in the grip of adolescent hormones. These two things are what seems to cause the vast majority of awful incidents.

      (Again, not all of ’em. That guy in Las Vegas who shot and killed people at the country concert outdoors from a hotel room was supposedly mature and far over the age of twenty-one.)

      It’s possible that government can’t do much, Paul. But here are things I think the government can do:

      Allocate more money for mental health treatment.
      Carefully screen new, teenage gun owners.
      Figure out how to use volunteers properly to keep such things from happening again. (Also, remember, some psychopaths will probably try to use this sort of volunteerism to shoot up schools or whatnot. That’s why volunteers must be screened carefully.)
      Require everyone to pass a gun safety course.
      Understand the difference between gun collectors (who mostly put guns on walls or in museums/personal collections) and first-time gun owners of tender ages.

      These things would’ve helped in Uvalde, Paul. They still might not have kept all those good people from dying, but they may have been able to get to the dying faster and save more lives.

      In conclusion, one of my Facebook friends said that police need to drill on how to stop an active shooter regularly. They need to learn how to use other resources in the community, from the firemen to hospitals, to aid them in their drill.

      My goal is to save lives.

      I am not interested at the moment in partisan rhetoric, whether it comes from the left or the right. I want to save lives.

      I think a whole lot of people in this country feel the same way right now.

      Barb Caffrey

      May 27, 2022 at 3:03 pm

      • The Laguna Woods shooter was 68. While many young people don’t have the coping skills developed yet to deal with setbacks, hate, rage, mental illness, and rampage aren’t limited to the young.

        50 years ago we didn’t have nearly as many active shooter incidents in this country. What’s changed in that time? It’s not the tools.


        May 27, 2022 at 3:47 pm

      • I agree with you about that, Kamas. The technology of guns hasn’t changed that much in the last twenty-five years, for certain. (I don’t know about fifty years, but I will take your word for it.)

        I think what’s changed has to do with how mental health is or is not treated.

        Even that would not have stopped this awful youngster from doing what he did, because he’d never been ID’ed as having a mental health problem.

        Kamas, I’m not a politician and I don’t know what I’d do in their place. I do know I’d try to do something, even if it’s just closing the gun-show loophole. I also think every gun owner — every single one — should have to take, and pass, a gun-safety course at bare minimum. (They also should regularly go shoot at a gun range, IMHO.)

        I am not against gun ownership.

        I am against kids dying for no damned good reason. 😦

        Barb Caffrey

        May 27, 2022 at 7:26 pm

      • Gun-show loophole doesn’t exist. Anyone who is in the business of selling/importing/manufacturing firearms has to have a Federal Firearms License and run a background check to anyone they sell to. Anyone not in the firearms business doesn’t qualify for a FFL unless they are a collector of curios and relics (AKA: old guns). In other words, anyone selling firearms at a gun-show is either already required to run a background check on something they sell, regardless of if it’s from a store, their home, or a gun-show. Or they are a private individual who isn’t in the business of firearms and isn’t required to run a background check on whatever personal firearms they sell, regardless of if it’s from their home, in the parking lot, or a gun-show. Any sales that cross state lines have to go through an FFL as well.

        While I believe that gun-safety courses and going to the range are excellent ideas, I abhor the thought of them being mandatory. It’s not a Right if you have to jump through hoops to use it. Would you be OK with being required to go to the library and pass a written and/or verbal test to read/buy/sell books? Would you be OK with being required to attend a church and pass a test on the bible in order to pray to God? Would you be fine with having to enroll in Toastmasters before speaking in public, or even in private company? If not, you’ll have to explain why Human Rights aren’t important.


        May 28, 2022 at 10:39 am

      • misspoke there. “If so,” rather than, “If not.”


        May 28, 2022 at 11:07 am

      • It’s fine. We all do that. Don’t worry. 🙂

        Barb Caffrey

        May 29, 2022 at 2:47 am

      • No. But I did have to learn how to drive before I was issued a driver’s license, and I was picturing something closer to that.

        It isn’t that hard to get a driver’s license. You have to demonstrate that you can learn rules and regulations and to follow them, while also knowing what your car can do and what it can’t.

        I know what you mean, though, Kamas.

        I am grasping at straws and I know it. That’s one reason why I welcome people from all political persuasions and professions to come here and talk.

        I am uninterested in an “echo chamber.”

        (I say this because someone asked me once why I didn’t shut down commentary on my Facebook page with an emotionally loaded subject. Providing people are being polite, I would rather hear and read what they have to say than just go about my business like a modern-day Willy Loman and pretend I’m right and everyone else is wrong.)

        Thanks for explaining the gun show laws, Kamas.

        Barb Caffrey

        May 29, 2022 at 2:46 am

  4. What I’m about to say probably isn’t going to go over very well, but it needs to be said anyway.

    1. The gun didn’t do the crime. There is nothing that the gun can do without the intent of the person behind it. Shootings aren’t a gun problem, they are a person problem.
    2. The AR pattern rifles are just a reflection of utility in the tool. I’ll echo here what I’ve said before, the look of the rifle makes no difference to the functionality of it.
    3. Which firearms do you want to ban, and why? Be specific.
    4. There is no military in the world that I’m aware of that uses an AR pattern rifle. If you’re aware of any, please list them so that the rest of us may also know. What the military uses and what civilians can buy (excluding the very limited number of NFA firearms) are very different. They just look somewhat alike, kinda like the similarity between your personal car and what NASCAR uses. It’s cosmetics.
    5. Long guns of all types, “Assault Weapons”, “hunting rifles”, and shot guns, combined are used in fewer killings than hands and feet, or knives. If you are suggesting that guns should be banned because of the number of murders then you need to show me you are actually serious about reducing the potential of murdering someone yourself by giving up all your cutlery and having your hands and feet amputated. Otherwise you’re just blustering about.
    6. If someone is deemed too young to have all of their civil rights, then why are they allowed to vote? Or to volunteer to operate even more deadly machinery? If you want to amend the Constitution fine, but don’t be surprised if other parts you are in favor of also get amended. We could start with the 26th Amendment, then progress on to the 19th Amendment (After all, nearly 30 year old women agency to have sex, why should they be voting?), and since the federal government doesn’t seem to be limited to spending only the amount of money they bring in (or less) what’s the point of the 16th Amendment?
    7. How are you going to determine if someone is a first time gun or ammunition buyer? Do they have to bring past sales receipts with them? Also, I’m pretty sure the Supreme Court has already ruled that taxing, or charging a fee to, different people for the exact same service or product is unlawful.
    8. Why would someone need to disclose a valid>/i> reason for purchasing a product? And who gets to decide what a valid reason is to begin with? What other products will fall under such a plan?
    9. You can’t realistically confiscate all firearms in this country. Firstly, there’s only about 3 Million people the government could call on to go out and seize them (About 2.4M active duty and reserve military forces, and about 700,000 law enforcement officers, with some overlap in there). There’s over 100 Million firearms owners. Even if every single law enforcement officer and member of the military were also a gun owner, that’s still around a 30:1 ratio in favor of civilians. Even if only 10% of gun owners decide to fight for their civil rights that’s still a 3:1 advantage, and those 10% aren’t likely to be taking prisoners. Heck, there’s less than 30 Million total military forces in the entire world.
    10. It’s not really a Right if you have to ask the government for permission first. The Bill of Rights is there for a reason. It would be really nice if the government would quit trying to limit our rights.
    11. Given the world history of various governments, including ours, of deciding that a certain segment of its society is undesirable and should be enslaved or killed, the rather small (statistically speaking) number of victims of murder is a small price to pay for the ability to face tyranny on at least a somewhat even footing. It may not save us, but at least we can fight for our lives. When I say, Never Again!” I do mean it.
    12. Given those last couple of points let me just say that I’m one of those crazy libertarians who thinks that our Rights are absolute. As in everything up to and beyond thermonuclear weapons should be legal in the USA. I also believe that everyone should have their full rights if not actively incarcerated or on parole/probation. That includes violent offenders. If they’ve served their time they get ALL of their rights back, voting, weapons, everything.


    May 27, 2022 at 3:33 pm

    • Regarding #3:

      All the rifles shown are semiautomatic rifles. That means it fires once for each pull of the trigger. And in fact, the three rifles shown in the middle are the exact same rifle , Ruger Mini-14, with different cosmetics.


      May 27, 2022 at 3:37 pm

      • OK. I appreciate that, Kamas.

        See my previous answer as I don’t want to type everything out again. (Must needs save my hands a tad.)

        Barb Caffrey

        May 27, 2022 at 7:23 pm

    • Kamas, I appreciate your words.

      I understand the true Libertarian viewpoint and I agree with you that the way our government often tries to regulate things doesn’t work very well.

      What I’d like to see is this: If we’re going to allow voting at 18 — and we should — everything else should also be available to an 18-year-old.

      Yes, that would include being able to buy a gun. (I don’t like guns, but fair is fair.) I don’t have a problem with people buying whatever gun they want, either, as some just want to put guns on their wall or into museums. Some want to have a gun for personal protection (though I don’t know too many who’d get an AR-15 style weapon for it, maybe there are some).

      I still think a red flag should be raised over the amount of ammo and the type of ammo this young man bought. He bought it all legally, yes…but what is the point of that ammo except to kill someone?

      Also, why is it that the police in Uvalde held back parents from rescuing their kids, but didn’t go in and get them on their own? Why did they wait?

      There are many, many good policemen out there, Kamas. The policeman who ran into the King Soopers in Colorado, knowing full well he didn’t have a bulletproof vest and was probably going to die (and he did, indeed, die), was a great policeman.

      Most others will go into harm’s way, gladly, to save a child’s life.

      Here, at least some of the nineteen kids who died could’ve been saved. They weren’t, because the police dithered.

      My question is, why did so many dither? What was the point of this? Why did multiple police officers, who could’ve saved lives, instead wait as if they were at a charity auction rather than do their jobs and go save some kids’ lives?

      Barb Caffrey

      May 27, 2022 at 7:22 pm

      • The things that are coming out about what actually happened are horrific. The response from the local police department in Uvalde is unconscionable. At the very least, that department needs to be disbanded and every single one of those officers needs to be dismissed and prevented from ever having a law enforcement license again. I would prefer to see those officers crucified outside that school for all to see and to be a lesson for other cowards. Thankfully for them, I’m not in charge. Had I been down there, with my daughter in that school, and they refused to go in, I’d have grabbed a couple of other armed parents and made entry myself. And if the police tried stopping us, there would be dead police on the lawn. YOU DON’T STOP PARENTS FROM RESCUING THEIR KIDS BECAUSE YOU’RE SCARED!

        After Columbine the training on Active Shooters went from Wait-For-SWAT, to First-Three-On-Scene-Enter, to First-On-Scene-Enters.

        As for getting an AR pattern firearm for self defense, take a look at Larry Correia’s interview on Huckabee from several years ago.


        May 28, 2022 at 10:09 am

      • Kamas, I’m glad you understand my rage and sense of utter despair over what happened in Uvalde.

        I don’t know if I’ll put this well, but here goes: I definitely do not want to take anyone’s guns away from them unless someone proves to be an irresponsible user of a gun (such as those police in Uvalde, who seem to have done everything wrong). Even then, providing no one gets killed or grievously wounded, I’d be for someone going through a gun safety course and then getting their gun back (and send ’em there only so they could figure out what they’d done irresponsibly in the first place).

        What I also know is that while I’m all for the freedom to buy guns, I also want to be able to be free to not buy a gun and still have some belief that I can be safe.

        We had seventeen people shot in Milwaukee by one guy (apparently) a few weeks ago at that Bucks game (outside of the Bucks arena). Another four were shot that night, too. Only by the grace of God or Goddess (or whatever you want to call the Deity/Higher Power) did they all survive their wounds.

        I’ve never been a parent, but I have taught kids (both privately as a music teacher and also as a camp counselor and camp teacher, once upon a time). To think of all those innocent children dead…I can’t possibly express how angry I am over that.

        Barb Caffrey

        May 29, 2022 at 2:39 am

  5. Also, the genie is well and gone from the bottle when it comes to firearms. The technology is over 500 years old. We, the USA, dropped pamphlets all over occupied Europe during WWII showing people how to make firearms from common household items. You simply can’t take enough of materials away from the public to keep someone from making their own gun and still have any sort of economy. Goat herders living in a cave in Afghanistan can make firearms with scraps.


    May 27, 2022 at 4:15 pm

    • All true, Kamas.

      I don’t dispute you on that.

      I still am angry, frustrated, and deeply upset over the loss of two teachers, nineteen children, and one of the teacher’s husbands (who died because he had a heart attack while starting to plan his wife’s funeral. He’d not be dead, except for how she died.)

      I also think there is a difference between a state that has much rural area (like Nebraska, or Colorado, where I lived for a while) and a more “urbanized” state like, say, California (where I also lived for a while). There are legitimate reasons to have guns in a rural area to shoot feral livestock. (I have far less trouble with the one US Senator who said a gun like the Uvalde shooter’s could be used to shoot a feral pig. I’ve actually seen a feral pig, once. They’re scary as Hell.)

      Barb Caffrey

      May 27, 2022 at 7:30 pm

      • The only illegitimate reason to own a weapon is to commit crimes with it. Law abiding citizens in urban areas probably need firearms more than rural people as the urban people are exposed to violent crime more often.


        May 28, 2022 at 10:13 am

      • Case in Point.

        One Good Woman with a hand-gun prevents a “mass killing” but killing the asshole with the rifle.

        Oh, a later story has the information that the person killed had a criminal record and couldn’t have legally purchased the rifle.

        Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

        May 28, 2022 at 10:43 am

      • Good. I’m glad to hear that someone defended herself and lived.

        Barb Caffrey

        May 29, 2022 at 2:47 am

      • That’s true, too, Kamas.

        The reason I mentioned the rural setting is because I’ve lived in three states where there’s a lot of open land. There were problems with feral animals in Colorado. We did see issues with feral livestock when I lived in Nebraska, too. (Usually it was far away, but once, a buffalo ran down the street in Colorado Springs. I saw it. It ignored me and my little car, which is just as well as it would’ve caused serious damage had it taken a dislike to it, or me.)

        That’s one reason why I have no interest in taking anyone’s guns away, providing they are responsible.

        Barb Caffrey

        May 29, 2022 at 2:41 am

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