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2022 Election Musings

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Folks, I nearly titled this “Why can’t we get along?” But I decided to go with the above title, in the hopes that someone out there will attempt to civilly answer the questions I’m about to raise.

Anyway, here are my questions.

#1: Why, in Wisconsin, were we unable to vote out Senator Ron Johnson? Is it because Mandela Barnes was seen as too liberal? Is it because some folks apparently split their vote between Tony Evers (D, who retained his position as Governor) and Johnson?

Johnson acts like a buffoon. He says and does things that just don’t make any sense at all. He’s made Wisconsinites look like a bunch of hicks for the past twelve years, and apparently we’re about to be stuck with him for another six years in the US Senate providing the upcoming canvass (where results are finalized; it’s a recount, roughly) doesn’t hold any major surprises. (Usually it doesn’t.)

I’ve watched Johnson and what he does now for twelve years. He’s a very wealthy man who seemingly doesn’t care about anyone’s opinion but his own, and that’s poisonous when it comes to being a public servant. What the state of WI voters want seems irrelevant to him, and that’s why I voted against him.

#2: Why did we end up with a status quo election? Is it because voters were worried that chaos would ensue if we didn’t send back the same — or mostly similar — bunch of folks that were already there?

#3: How can we get along with one another — Democrat, Independent, Republican — if we can’t agree on what the facts are anymore?

This last is very worrisome to me, and it’s bothered me ever since former POTUS Donald Trump’s advisor Kellyanne Conway used the term “alternative facts.”

There is no such thing. There are just facts, and non-facts. (Lies, errors, call it what you will.)

Look. I am all for diversity of opinion. I don’t mute people unless they’ve done/said something so egregious, there’s no way I can possibly put up with it. (Some have called me “too nice for my own good.” That’s almost certainly true.) I listen to people because I want to know what they think. (If I just wanted to know what I thought, well, I’d be like Senator Johnson. No thanks.) I want to know, in other parts of the country, what the big issues are. What is vexing other folks? Why? How can they be helped, or is there anything I can do, as a citizen, to help them?

That’s what I try to do.

But when a man complained that I supposedly don’t call out “hate speech” from Democrats…as someone did on my Facebook page recently…I don’t know what the Hell to do about that.

Now, let’s talk about “hate speech” for a moment. Is it stuff that puts down Republicans that this person was upset with? (If so, that’s not hate speech. That’s just a different opinion.) Is it discussions about how “all” R voters are a bunch of hicks? (I’d disagree with that assumption.) Is it discussions that some folks continue to not abide the former POTUS Donald Trump (also called 45, also called “the former guy”) that are upsetting this gentleman? (Again, people have a right to their opinion.) Is it when people get upset that a bunch of folks who continue to believe the 2020 election was “rigged” ran for office and campaigned that if they won, there’d never be another Democrat winning an election again, that people got upset about it? (We saw this in Wisconsin with former gubernatorial candidate Tim Michels.)

I’ve said in various places that I disagree when a politician says something stupid, much less something actively hateful. That’s because I don’t like hate.

I think we are on this Earth to somehow get above that. We’re supposed to learn, change, and grow, and we can’t do these things if we won’t talk to one another.

I also think it’s very, very sad that I must spell this out. But that’s where we are.

My view is very simple, here. I can’t stand dishonesty or deceit. I’ve seen some elections I’ve deeply questioned, that have troubled me. But what I did, at the time, was to be one of the folks observing the recount. That allayed my fears considerably, and I suggest this to anyone who continues to have doubts about what their own local election officials are doing.

I believe in “trust, but verify.” (Ronald Reagan said this, and it’s true.)

So, I understand why someone is angry, at least in part, when their candidate loses. (I understand how frustrating it is to still be represented by Ron Johnson, as I said before.) I understand why someone would feel that the worst excesses of any given party need to be called out…and even why someone wouldn’t like it when all of one particular party seem tarred with one brush.

Let me make it plain. I do not believe every R voter out there is a racist. (That’s stupid.) I also don’t believe that every R voter out there is an election-denier, or someone who thinks elections should be “overseen” by just one party. They definitely shouldn’t be, because the temptation there would be far, far too great to do whatever the Hell that one party liked, and the good of the overall populace be damned.

That way lies autocracy, folks. I am against that with every fiber of my being.

I am against gerrymandering for the same reason. That allows one party to get an “edge” over another party — in this state, it’s the Rs over the Ds, but in IL, it’s more the Ds over the Rs as I understand it — and again, that does not serve the voters whatsoever.

When you can’t vote people out because the district they “represent” is overloaded by one party or another, that’s a recipe for disaster. That’s why I support independent boards doing the redistricting instead (as they do in California and used to do in Iowa). That way, if you have a politician who’s not listening and worse yet isn’t doing the people’s business, you can get them the Hell out of there.

But more on the frustration, as that’s important.

There’s a good reason as to why people are angry, frustrated, and deeply upset: they don’t think their voices are being heard. That doesn’t matter if you live in South Dakota, say, or Illinois, or New York City, or Timbuktu. Every single person I’ve spoken to, regardless of party, does not believe they are being heard.

I read, recently, about something called the “Greater Idaho” movement. There are voters in Oregon who are deeply frustrated that they are never listened to about anything. These are farmers, ranchers, fishermen, etc., who feel they have no voice in the Oregon Legislature. So what they’ve done, instead, is start this “Greater Idaho” movement. They’re willing to see if Idaho will admit their counties, which are all right-leaning, so they can actually be heard by a state Legislature.

The last time anyone tried something like this was the late 1980s/early 1990s. There were four counties in Kansas who had never voted to join the state, but were annexed anyway. These four counties were considering becoming part of Colorado, at the time…it ended up as a stalemate, but the frustration was real.

My guess is that the “Greater Idaho” movement will end up the same way, but it was started for the same reason I’ve already given above: these people are not being heard, and they’re tired of it.

I don’t blame them at all for that. I hope their state will start listening to them.

Anyway, my point is very simple. I believe in diversity, freedom of thought, free and fair elections, and I believe in the ideals that founded the United States. I wish we were feeling better about ourselves as a nation, and as a people, so I didn’t actually need to state these very things.

P.S. On a wholly separate note, I continue to recover — very slowly — from what I think is the flu. Responses may be slowed due to that reason.

Written by Barb Caffrey

November 13, 2022 at 4:54 am

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  1. On “Facts Are Facts”, any Facts that Liberals/Lefties don’t like are “Misinformation” and “Hate Speech”

    Your Side has been running a several-years-long campaign of “Republicans are Hateful Bigots which includes We-Hate-Women, We-Hate-Blacks, etc”.

    Your side, since Biden took office, has made it clear that anybody who disagrees with Democrats are Fascists and “enemies of democracy”.

    And of course, anybody who doesn’t think the Jan 6th event was a riot/insurrection are insurrectionists (ie Enemies of Democracy”.

    Many Conservatives see “Enemies of Democracy” as actually meaning Enemies of the Democratic Party’s Control of the US.

    Of course, while Democrats whine that believing/suspecting Election Fraud is the reason Democrats “win” means that we are a danger to the Election Process, many Democrats claim that Republican Suppress (or want to suppress) Minority Votes.

    On Election Fraud, if Republicans are the Monsters that your party (and the News Media) claims, why should you do everything you can legally or illegally to prevent Republicans from “getting into Office” including committing Fraud.

    As for your “complaint” about this Ron Johnson, I don’t know him but I suspect that he’s a better man/person than you believe. Sadly, I don’t trust your judgment.

    As for gerrymandering, I Laugh Out Load as your Democrats use crazy gerrymandering to create “Majority Black Districts”.

    Of course, it’s interesting that Black Republicans get elected in Majority “White” Districts, but the Majority of Black Democrats get elected in Majority “Black” Districts. My cynicism tells me that White Liberals/Democrats don’t want to vote for Black Democrats.

    Of course, all of this will “go in one ear and out the other ear”.

    Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

    November 13, 2022 at 9:58 am

    • By the way, I don’t want to hear from you about “Hateful Republican/Conservative” Speech.

      Your side twists anything we say into Hateful Speech and/or open threats while your side threats people with nobody from your side speaking against it.

      And as I have said before, to Liberals/Lefties anything they disagree with is Hate Speech.

      Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

      November 13, 2022 at 10:06 am

    • Paul, if you don’t trust my judgment, why are you reading my blog?

      I think gerrymandering is wrong no matter who does it. See what I’ve said here, at Facebook, and elsewhere. I just do not approve of it, because it makes it nearly impossible to get someone out who is not doing their job.

      I don’t know what to say about the rest of it, but I will say this. I’ve never heard anyone, including Joe Biden, say that _all_ Rs are bad. He knows better than that. But I think he was very frustrated with the folks running for Secretaries of State (various people in various states) who said flat-out that they would not believe an election was correct unless they, themselves won.

      That, right there, is not what elections are all about.

      Paul, we had two other Rs who got in that I had no trouble with (even though I didn’t vote for them, I believe they are basically honest brokers). The reasons I can’t stand Johnson are what I already said in my blog.

      But say what you will.

      Barb Caffrey

      November 13, 2022 at 7:27 pm

      • I hope dear Lady that you might “learn” something from my posts.

        And when Biden and other Democrats say that “Maga Republicans Are Semi-Fascists intent on destroying Democracy”, I believe that they mean it and any weasel afterwards saying that they don’t mean ALL MAGA REPUBLICANS is complete nonsense.

        You whine when some Conservatives make a remark that YOU BELIEVE IS A TREAT but I’m not to take “Maga Republicans Are Semi-Fascists intent on destroying Democracy” as a Threat against me and mine.

        Democrats say plenty of garbage that I consider a Threat.

        Of course, “Republicans Are Christian Nationalists” is threat to any Christian who Republican and Loves Our Country.

        Oh IMO “Christian Nationalists” is IMO just the usual nonsense that says that the Religious Right Wants A Theocracy”.

        But then you talked about “Christian Rioters” so I don’t expect much from you.

        Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

        November 13, 2022 at 10:33 pm

      • When did I say “Christian rioters?” I don’t recall saying that.

        I would not like hearing Biden’s remarks either about MAGA Republicans, if I were voting with the Rs. It would’ve been better and more aptly stated that people who do not believe in elections should not be running for office. There were a lot of folks who, like now-former gubernatorial candidate Tim Michels (R), said that once they got in there, the Rs would “never lose another election.” That sort of verbiage is unseemly, to say the least. So, if that’s what Biden was seeing in his daily media feed, no wonder he was against it.

        Biden might also be thinking about people like Marjorie Taylor Green or Lauren Boebert. (I hope I’m spelling their names correctly.) MTG is very reactionary, and Boebert is just plain strange. Both have made some way-out-there comments in the past and probably will in the future also, as outrageousness sells newspapers. (Or TV shows.)

        Anyway, I agree that tarring a whole bunch of people with the same characteristics isn’t usually a winning strategy.

        I can’t do much better than this now, as I’m still sick. I may come up with something better in a few days or a week…or I may not.

        Barb Caffrey

        November 17, 2022 at 2:09 am

      • You didn’t say anything about “Christian Rioters” here.

        But in an earlier Blog Post, you said something about “Not Blaming All Christians For The Christian Rioters” in a context where there were No Christian Riots,

        Considering the garbage routinely thrown at Christians who “don’t support the Left”, my reaction was WHAT THE F*CK.

        Of course, some of your “Nice” Democrats have claimed that Republicans want an End Of Democracy and Support something called Christian Nationalism which strongly reminds me of the lie that Conservative (religiously) Christians want a Theocracy.

        Oh, your comment about “assholes on the Left that people don’t hear about”, IMO if people “don’t hear about them”, then they aren’t listening.

        Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

        November 17, 2022 at 9:20 am

      • Paul, the idea that every R or GOP voter out there is a Christian nationalist (or Dominionist; I’ve also heard it given as) is ludicrous.

        I know that I’d said something when folks were coming home from a difficult mission, and they were singing a hymn. I think I said that if I’d done something like that, or if I’d been on the plane with them, I’d not want to get in the way of them singing anything. (I also pointed out that there are some lovely Muslim hymns, because there are. The Jewish faith also has some great hymns, as do the Latter-Day Saints.)

        As for anything else, my view is very simple. I watch my own representatives. I listen to them, as best I can (sometimes they say very little, which makes it tough). I watch how they vote. And I do what I think is right when it comes down to elections.

        I can’t do anything about Reps or Senators that aren’t in my state. That doesn’t always mean I’m going to like what they say or approve of it. (AOC’s “Green New Deal” idea is not one that would work in the Midwest, and she needs to come out here before she trumpets it any further. It just isn’t feasible here, whereas on much of the West Coast, it may be possible. It also could be feasible along the shorelines of Florida and Texas, providing you don’t mind the occasional hurricane.)

        I don’t go out of my way to search for nonsense. There’s plenty of it out there. But my view, again, is very simple. I can do something about my Reps, my Senators, my elected officials. I can’t do anything about AOC.

        Barb Caffrey

        November 21, 2022 at 2:27 pm

      • When you’re on “Record” as talking about “Bad Republicans/Conservatives” who aren’t your Representatives/Senators but say nothing as Asshole Democrats/Lefties who aren’t your Representatives/Senators, then it comes across as “Democrats/Lefties are Always Good” and “Republicans/Conservatives are Always Bad”.

        Sorry Barb, there are too many shitheads among the Democrats/Lefties/Liberals and when somebody who complains about “shithead” Republicans/Conservatives, then we wonder if that person approves of the shitheads on “his side”.

        Their silence makes it extremely to see them as a Supporter Of The Enemy.

        Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

        November 21, 2022 at 3:51 pm

  2. We seem to be rapidly approaching a change in this country from a high trust society to a low trust society. The consequences of that are dire. Photos and videos can no longer be trusted. Our news media no longer report facts, but couch everything in political opinion, when they even bother reporting on something. Our medical and scientific communities have been corrupted by political spin and/or in the name of funding (which is often doled out by politicians and bureaucrats). Our law enforcement agencies can no longer be trusted either. We’ve seen too many times where the leadership is only interested in politics instead of the job at hand, while the line officers no longer feel supported for doing the job. The judiciary is just as biased, appearing to make decisions that are politically motivated rather than on the facts.

    America is a concept, not a piece of land. Unfortunately the idea of America seems to be dying, and replaced by a new version feudalism. When people talk about “our democracy” they seem to be deliberately choosing to ignore that America is not a democracy but a republic. We are supposed to be electing people to represent us and our views in government. But our politicians no longer see themselves as servants, but as “leaders” of us. They are more than willing to be bought off with whatever wealth they can accumulate for themselves.

    kamas716

    November 13, 2022 at 1:41 pm

    • You are 100% correct, Kamas.

      Yes. We’re a democratic republic, and when the able don’t serve, we get chaos. Even when they do, but aren’t doing what their constituents need them to do, we still get chaos.

      Then add in all the rest of what you said, and we get a huge mess.

      I don’t know how we come back from this precipice, Kamas. (Do you have any ideas?)

      I do think that too many people were promoted above the level of their competence in various places — the Peter Principle, in short — and that’s also adding to the mess.

      My view of elections is, we have to have at least two reputable parties with honest people who are willing to serve the public, and districts need to be drawn fairly, so there aren’t things like I see in Wisconsin — they put the cities of Racine and Kenosha together (lengthwise), and put the counties of Racine and Kenosha (other than the cities) together…also lengthwise. This made a supermajority D district and a supermajority R district, and that is just not right.

      To make it even worse, this area was always competitive prior to the worst of the gerrymandering. (The new maps were approved in 2014, I think, and were more or less the same in 2022.) We used to be able to easily vote out someone who was not doing our business, but now, we can’t do that because of what I just said about the oddities of these two supermajority “districts.”

      Anyway, I would be very interested to hear what you think might work to roll some of this back, or at least make things more transparent. I know I am stumped, and in general I like to think I’m not easily stumped. 😦

      Barb Caffrey

      November 13, 2022 at 7:34 pm

  3. Gerrymandering is a problem that politicians created, and that the Supreme Court has wholly endorsed. The problem will continue, and get worse, until Reynolds’s v. Simms is overturned. There can be no honest representation of the interests of low population counties/areas in states if all representation is only made by population size. The issues of inner cities are not the issues of rural areas. It’s just as bad having a few people imposing their unworkable ideas on the many as it is the many imposing on the few. WI Assembly District 8 (high density Milwaukee) has a much different need than District 74 (rural northern WI along Lake Superior/MI).

    kamas716

    November 13, 2022 at 2:05 pm

    • Gerrymandering is as American as apple-pie. 😉

      And generally speaking, politically Gerrymandering is only Bad when the Other Guy does it.

      Oh Kamas, you’ve made very valid point on the practice.

      Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

      November 13, 2022 at 2:17 pm

    • I agree with you again, Kamas.

      Somehow, we need to be able to help everyone in every district as best we can. No one should be written off (as in the “Greater Idaho” movement, caused because those Oregon farmers and fishermen and such felt completely disrespected).

      There are legitimate needs up North, say, in Superior or Ashland that aren’t needs in Milwaukee. And there are legitimate needs in River Falls and the Wisconsin Dells area — the latter is one of the best-trafficked tourist areas in the state, especially in the summer — that aren’t the same as, say, those of the Menominee Indian tribe.

      Yet all of these places and all of these people need help and decent-to-better governance.

      How we get there from here is beyond me, but I do appreciate your thoughtful responses.

      Barb Caffrey

      November 13, 2022 at 7:39 pm

  4. 1. Don’t know or care anything about Senator Johnson. I do know I’ve been voting against Representative Emmanuel Cleaver every time he comes up, but he still wins every time. And frankly, after that prayer, which petitioned Bramha, and ended with “Amen and Awomen”, it should have been a no-brainer. As a former United Methodist Minister, he knows better.

    2. Most elections are status quo elections.

    3. Alternative facts? That only started bothering you then? It’s been a problem since well before Dan Rather did his “fake but accurate” spiel. The media is well know for only spreading stories that further the narrative, and burying those that don’t.
    Remember that story that was being spread gleefully by the news media that ivermectin overdoses were overwhelming ERs and causing delays for people with gunshot wounds. That story vanished as soon as someone did the least amount of looking into it, since there were no overdoses overwhelming the ER, and no gunshot wounds. In fact, the picture used to illustrate the story was of people lined up to get their Covid shot.

    So, how do you define “hate speech”, since actual death threats, calls for violence, calling people cock roaches, etc., don’t seem to cut it for you?

    So you don’t believe that every Republican is a racist? Gee. Thanks. Some of us have even stopped beating our wives. As one who usually votes for the party of Lincoln, I’ll return the favor. Not everyone who is a Democrat is racist. In spite of the fact that they are the party of the KKK, and have elected a president who cannot open his mouth without a racist remark falling out. (Even before he went senile.)

    Gerrymandering is unfortunately part of American politics, and always has been. The original Gerry signed the Declaration of Independence.

    Jasini

    November 14, 2022 at 1:52 pm

    • I know it has been, Betsy (w/r/t gerrymandering). It’s been there from the get-go.

      I haven’t heard much about what Emanuel Cleaver’s been doing, but I’ll take your word for it. (And really? Amen and awoman? What’s up with that?)

      There are unfortunately people on both extremes that cause trouble. We hear more about the folks on the right. We don’t hear that much — unless we live close to a place that’s having lots of issues — about the folks on the left (or outright anarchists). The burnings in Minneapolis were mostly caused by outside instigators, some who were leftist in origin but just wanted to burn stuff up. Most of the time when there’s any sort of violence, it’s caused by people who do not live in the area, who came there for whatever reason — perhaps they just wanted to protest peacefully, but perhaps not — and they got caught up whatever the mob on the street was doing.

      George Wallace ran for President in 1968 as an independent. He was titularly a Democrat, and he was about as pro-segregationist as they came. I know what you mean about overreaching…

      Yes, Dan Rather had some not-so-great moments in the late 1980s and early 1990s IIRC. He seems to have gotten better with age, though when I’ve listened to him, I’ve been both impressed by his depth of knowledge and wondered about how he came to some of his conclusions. (He’s someone I read or listen to in the same way I read or listen to George Will. I find out all sorts of interesting things that way.)

      As far as elections go, 2020 was not a good cycle for a lot of reasons. Having two elderly men running against each other probably wasn’t good for the country, and a whole lot of stuff had to fall right for Biden to even win the primaries as he’s not a great stump speaker and had known weaknesses before he ever threw his hat in to the figurative ring. Because of Covid, he wasn’t able to do any major campaigning, and that helped him. There’s no question that helped him.

      Biden was voted in to be a caretaker type of POTUS. I’m not sure if we had any others of those in the 20th Century (surely not so far in the 21st, except for Biden himself); maybe going back to the Presidency of someone like Martin van Buren might be a semi-sort-of-analogue.

      Now, I haven’t really heard Biden say anything racist (though if you have, please let me know). He says and does things that are cringeworthy, and he always has; the only question is, does he have the best interests of the country at heart? Does he know what that is, and will he try to do his best to get there?

      I don’t know what the answers are, there. I watch and listen the same way you do. Biden seems to do OK when he has a prepared speech and/or if it’s something he is incredibly passionate about.

      And yes, most elections are status quo elections. No question about that. It was a surprise that we had one this time mostly because there were two competing factors, either of which could’ve turned the election into a runaway train for the Rs. (Inflation is one of them, though it’s worldwide in origin and I’m not sure any POTUS can do much about it.) Instead, the Ds held on to a lot more seats than most folks thought they would, and instead of the Rs taking the Senate and the House, the latter easily, instead they’re going to have a narrow lead in the House and the Ds will have the Senate (albeit by at most one vote, assuming Reverend Warnock beats Herschel Walker in Georgia).

      Finally, we had an example of the national media burying the sentencing of Darrell Brooks (the guy who killed six and wounded 80 last year in Waukesha during the Xmas parade). The judge went on and on and on (a three-hour diatribe, which I don’t understand) before she finally pronounced sentence on Brooks. (Six consecutive life terms, roughly, with no possibility of parole.)

      The Brooks trial didn’t fit any narrative for the national media, so they didn’t cover it.

      Brooks himself seems to be (at best) a lost soul; at worst, well, he seemed psychopathic to me. He showed no remorse at all during the course of his trial, either.

      So, if something doesn’t fit into whatever the national media wants, they do bury it. I agree with you there. I don’t know if it’s intentional all the time. But I do know they do it.

      As far as the whole idea of “alternative facts” … I’ve pretty much stated all I can, there. But I agree with you that Kellyanne Conway didn’t start it. It started probably in the early 1990s, if not sooner than that; Conway simply popularized it.

      Barb Caffrey

      November 17, 2022 at 2:03 am

      • How could you forget Biden saying “If you don’t vote for me, you ain’t black.”? And that is mild compared to some other things he’s said. Such as poor children being as smart as white children. Like I said, he can’t open his mouth without something racist falling out of it.

        And no, far as I can tell, he doesn’t have the best interest of the country at heart.

        As near as I can tell, the phrase “Election Deniers” (much like the phrase “Trump worshipers) is meant solely as a means to discredit anyone having any questions about the integrity of the past several elections without actually answering any of their claims. It does not shed any light on an issue, just an expression of ill-will.

        And there were more than enough indications of fraud throughout the last several general elections to give people looking at them pause.

        Jasini

        November 17, 2022 at 2:22 pm

      • Believe me, I know how it feels to wonder about elections. I have felt that way several times in my life. Going and supervising a recount put much of those fears to bed, mostly because those folks are nonpartisan by nature (even if they still run as Rs, Ds, Ls, or whatever). They do the right things in the right ways, and they count. To them, it’s about the count, and whether the count is right or wrong. Then and only then do they worry about candidates.

        I don’t remember Biden saying that, but it wouldn’t surprise me, either. He is very inartful in his speech. (To say the least.) As I said, there had to be a concatenation of circumstances to get him in there after he’d failed miserably twice in the primaries. Without Covid causing places not to hold rallies (mostly), without the other candidates (some _very_ good and at least two of whom would’ve made excellent POTUSes, to my mind, those being Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Senator Amy Klobuchar) getting out so he could have the field to himself, I don’t think Biden could’ve won no matter what Trump did or said.

        Anyway, I advise you to go supervise a recount whenever you have the energy to do it. Or to watch the canvass, if they’re still doing it (which is basically a recount of the election day votes plus all the other votes from military members, etc., that came in before the deadline). That may ease your mind a bit. (It eased mine, even though the candidate I wanted didn’t win.)

        Barb Caffrey

        November 21, 2022 at 2:20 pm

    • Yes, I saw that, and I expected it, too.

      The main thing that runs through my head is this: both of these gentlemen are either 80 or close to it (I think Trump would be 78 if he were elected in 2024). It’s hard to be dynamic at that age, much less consistently. It’s easier to make mistakes, too…anyway, while I know Reagan had a great line about how he wasn’t going to hold his opponent’s “youth and inexperience” against him, I wonder how either Biden or Trump could use that line with a straight face.

      Barb Caffrey

      November 17, 2022 at 2:12 am

      • No offense intended, Biden could mess up that line if he tried it. 😉

        Paul (Drak Bibliophile) Howard

        November 17, 2022 at 9:24 am

      • I think that’s true. LOL

        Plus, there’s only two years difference between them. (It does seem like the younger generation is starting to move up a bit, with Nancy Pelosi retiring and all as Speaker; it sounds like she’s going to mentor Rep. Jeffries of NJ, as he will most likely be the next House Minority Leader; Jim Clyburn and Steny Hoyer also got out of the D leadership).

        I don’t know what this means overall, except that the ones coming up will be younger. (Some of the folks I hope aren’t going to be in the leadership may end up in there. But we’ll see.)

        Barb Caffrey

        November 21, 2022 at 2:22 pm


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